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size=3D5><BR><B>Evolution=20
            in Context</B></FONT> <BR><BR><FONT=20
            face=3D"Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">Broadcast Sunday 10=20
            August&nbsp;1997 <BR>with </FONT>
            <P><FONT face=3D"Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"=20
            color=3D#cc3300>Summary:<BR><BR></FONT><FONT=20
            face=3D"Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">Colin Groves is a =
sceptic of the=20
            scientific kind. In this talk he asks what it really takes =
for some=20
            people finally to accept some of the big ideas of our age, =
such as=20
            the theory of evolution.</FONT></P>
            <P><FONT face=3D"Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"=20
            color=3D#cc3300>Transcript:<BR><BR></FONT><FONT=20
            face=3D"Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><STRONG>Robyn =
Williams:</STRONG>=20
            Do you remember that delicious response to the moon landing =
in 1969=20
            when disbelievers claimed it had all been staged at a TV =
studio in=20
            Burbank? There were a few similar comments about Mars the =
other=20
            week, suggesting that the intrepid little explore was really =
sending=20
            pictures back form some desert in the mid-west of America. =
Some=20
            people are never convinced.
            <P>Well Colin Groves is himself a sceptic, but of the =
scientific=20
            kind. In today's talk he asks what it really takes for some =
people=20
            finally to accept some of the big ideas of our age, such as =
the=20
            theory of evolution. Dr Groves does archaeological research =
at the=20
            Australian National University in Canberra.
            <P><STRONG>Colin Groves: </STRONG>We live on the surface of =
a solid=20
            globe, part of a planetary system in orbit about the Sun, =
which=20
            itself is an insignificant star in the Milky Way galaxy. =
This much=20
            we think we know. Or do we?
            <P>The best-know objectors to this model are the Flat =
Earthers. A=20
            flourishing and aggressive bunch as recently as the late =
19th=20
            century, they are today an insignificant rump, a bit clapped =
out=20
            intellectually. The best that one of them could manage, when =

            challenged with a photograph of a very globular Earth taken =
from=20
            space, was "Yes, it's easy to see how someone might be =
fooled by=20
            that".
            <P>But there is another model too, that puts itself forward =
as an=20
            alternative to the Copernican view. In this view the Earth =
is=20
            spherical all right, but we are on the inside of it. The =
stars and=20
            the planets are tiny bodies, revolving around the earth's =
internal=20
            axis. The sun travels in a spiral, reversing itself every =
six=20
            months. Light (which travels in arcs) gets slower and slower =
as it=20
            approaches the centre of the earth, and finally stops, so =
that we=20
            can never see all the way to the other side. The only way to =
get to=20
            the other side is around the surface; if we tried to cut =
across the=20
            center, we too would go more and more slowly, and get =
smaller and=20
            smaller. If we tried to drill our way through the ground to =
get out=20
            of this cramped and claustrophobic system, its peculiar laws =
ensure=20
            that we would come out at the opposite side of the earth!
            <P>The Hollow-Earth model is discussed by Martin Gardner in =
the=20
            Summer 1988 issue of The Skeptical Inquirer, and he makes =
the point=20
            that it actually cannot be refuted! Its auxiliaries, the =
ad-hoc laws=20
            of motion and time, the behaviour of light, and so on, that =
are=20
            necessary to make it work ensure that it is entirely =
physically and=20
            mathematically consistent. The reason why most of us do not =
believe=20
            in it, but instead embrace the Copernican Theory, is the =
principle=20
            called Ockham's Razor: don't multiply your basic postulates=20
            unnecessarily. The Principle of Parsimony. That's the =
principle on=20
            which all science operates, and must operate.
            <P>Science is the name we give to the system that describes =
how we=20
            know what we know, and simplicity - Ockham's Razor - is the =
key to=20
            this process of knowing.
            <P>Every branch of science has its great unifying =
theoretical=20
            models: the Theory of Valency, the Theory of =
Electromagnetism, the=20
            Theory of Relativity, the Theory of Quantum Mechanics, the=20
            Copernican Theory. What they all have in common is Ockham's =
Razor:=20
            they simplify the basic assumptions. That is why they are =
such=20
            powerful explanatory tools. The biological equivalent is the =
Theory=20
            of Evolution.
            <P>What Charles Darwin did was that he proposed a mechanism =
for=20
            evolution - Natural Selection - and amassed a vast, =
unanswerable=20
            corpus of evidence for it. The mechanism was so simple, so =
elegant,=20
            as to make his friend Thomas Huxley exclaim, "How incredibly =
stupid=20
            of me, not to have thought of that myself!". The evidence he =

            produced made it quite clear that evolution was biology's =
Ockham's=20
            Razor. It explained the Law of Faunal Succession more =
parsimoniously=20
            than did the Revolutions of the Globe. It explained the =
facts of=20
            embryology, the paradox of homology, the peculiarities of =
animal=20
            distribution, the nestedness of taxonomic categories. Any =
one of=20
            these would be sufficient on its own to convince most people =
that=20
            evolution is more parsimonious than any conceivable =
alternative.
            <P>A scientific hypothesis starts life as a tentative =
explanation=20
            for certain observations. A hypothesis that has survived all =
the=20
            tests we can throw at it is said to be Highly Corroborated =
or=20
            "Robust", and if it has been shown to have a wide =
explanatory power=20
            as well it achieves the exalted status of a scientific =
Theory. Don't=20
            demean the great Theories of science by calling any =
fly-by-night=20
            hypothesis "a theory". A Theory is a model of the way =
systems work;=20
            more than that, it is well corroborated and continues to be =
tested=20
            (the Theory of Evolution gets tested every time anyone puts =
a spade=20
            in the earth and brings out a fossil); more than that, it is =

            Ockham's Razor at work.
            <P>So who doubts evolution? The creationists, that's who.=20
            Creationists are the Christian, Jewish, and some (but not =
all) of=20
            the Muslim Fundamentalists; and don't forget Hindu =
Fundamentalists=20
            too. Creationists are Pat Buchanan, Jimmy Swaggart, the late =
Meir=20
            Kahane, and (though I may be wrong here) the late Ayatollah=20
            Khomeini. Creationists are not the Pope, the Archbishop of=20
            Canterbury, the Chief Rabbi or (as far as I know) the =
Patriarch of=20
            Constantinople or the Aga Khan.
            <P>On what basis do these creationists doubt evolution? The =
real=20
            reason is that they have a sacred book, which says that =
human=20
            beings, animals and plants were created in much the same =
form as=20
            they exist today; but they give any number of spurious =
reasons=20
            connected with science. I find it despicable that people who =
claim=20
            adherence to strict religious tenets such as "don't bear =
false=20
            witness" can nonetheless misquote science to give a secular =
gloss to=20
            their religious bigotry.
            <P>The tenets of the Judaeo-Christian version of creationism =
are:
            <P>- All organisms were created in one week, about 6,000 =
years ago=20
            (some allow for up to 10,000 years).
            <P>- The geological column was mostly (or, in some versions, =

            entirely) laid down in Noah's Flood.
            <P>- The fossil record consists mostly of the remains of =
organisms=20
            drowned in that Flood.
            <P>Hindu fundamentalism differs drastically, especially in =
its=20
            timescale. The Bible, taken literally, allows for a few =
thousand=20
            years since the creation of everything; the Hindu scriptures =
have=20
            billions and billions of years. The Judaeo-Christian version =
forbids=20
            any evolution whatever; the Hindu version doesn't =
particularly mind=20
            if other organisms evolved, it's just people that can't be =
allowed=20
            to. What they have in common is that human beings have been =
around=20
            from the beginning, and even the most scholarly of all =
creationist=20
            books, the Hindu 900-page Forbidden Archaeology, has to pull =
out all=20
            stops to "prove" that they were. Genuinely intermediate =
fossils are=20
            tossed aside, 19th-century claims of human remains in very =
early=20
            strata are wheeled out again. At least there's no mention of =
Noah's=20
            Flood.
            <P>Noah's Flood plays a big big part in Christian =
creationist earth=20
            history. We have seen that the Theory of Evolution elegantly =

            explains the Law of Faunal Succession. As the Christian =
creationists=20
            don't believe in long geological ages, and especially not in =

            evolution, Noah's Flood must do the job. How does it fare? =
We find=20
            four arguments used, some of them incompatible with each =
other:
            <P>1) It's only chance that we haven't found all species at =
all=20
            levels. (The Cambrian elephants are there somewhere; a =
thousand=20
            excavations in Cambrian deposits haven't found them yet, but =
maybe=20
            the thousand and oneth will turn them up).
            <P>2) Hydraulic Sorting: the bigger, heavier animals sank to =
the=20
            bottom during the Flood. (The trilobites must have been =
heavier than=20
            the dinosaurs, that's all).
            <P>3) The more intelligent animals saw the floodwaters =
rising, and=20
            ran up to higher ground. (This Faunal Succession business =
works for=20
            plants, too. Everybody knows that flowering plants are more=20
            intelligent than ferns or conifers).
            <P>4) The rock strata must be in the wrong order. (Steno was =
wrong;=20
            the 99+% of strata which are in the "evolutionist" sequence =
must be=20
            due to overthrusting or whatever).
            <P>How did all the animals get onto Noah's Ark, two by two =
or (in=20
            some cases) by sevens? A lot of species must be taken on =
board, but=20
            it can be managed. Dinosaurs, for example, could be taken on =
as=20
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keep the=20
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still=20
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